The Thomas Williams and older John Williams trace back to
Cumberland county, Kentucky just across the state border above Overton county,
Tennessee. In Cumberland county, Kentucky the long time court clerk was a
"Milton Williams". Most if not all of the residents of Cumberland county
would have been familiar with the name of the county clerk who recorded and
signed their county records. Note that our John Williams (1811-1888) had a son
"Milton King Williams" born 1843 Jasper county, Missouri.
The older John Williams is assumed to be the father of Thomas Williams and
further circumstantial research indicates he also had a son named Toy Williams
and possibly a daughter named Caroline Williams.
| Father: |
John
Williams was born about 1768
in Virginia.
John died
after 1850 probably in Overton County, Tennessee.
|
Census records:
1810 KY,
Cumberland Co., p. 714
1820 KY, Cumberland Co., p. 144
1830 KY, Cumberland
Co., p. 97
1840 KY, Cumberland Co., p. 355
(with son John Williams
Jr)
1850 TN, Overton Co., p. 97
(with son Thomas Williams) |
| Mother: |
John's wife is currently unknown. |
Possible
Dau. |
● Courtesy Williams was born
about 1781-1790. She
married John Thurman. It appears both Courtesy and John died before
1840. Possible Children:
- Allen W Thurman was born about 1811 Overton County, Tennessee.
He married ______ before 1831. He married Sarah "Sally" Coulson before
1850. Allen died after 1880.
-
Elizabeth Thurman was born 14 Oct 1813 in Kentucky. She married John
Arms. Elizabeth died 9 Nov 1893 in Clay County, Tennessee.
- John W Thurman was born 16/18 Nov 1815/1816 in Kentucky. He
married Nancy Ashlock about 1834. He married Palina Williams
about 1854 in Tennessee. John died 22 May 1891 in Clay County,
Tennessee.
- Hayman Thurman was born in May 1819. He married Elizabeth
Williams. Hayman died after 1900.
- Thomas Pinkney Thurman was born
about 1823 in Kentucky. He married Sally (Susan) _____. Thomas
died after 1880.
- Frances "Fanny" Thurman was born about 1825 in Tennessee.
She married Martin Arms. Fanny died after 1864.
|
1799 KY, Cumberland Co., tax list
1810 KY,
Cumberland Co., p. 714
1820 KY, Cumberland Co., p. ???
1830 TN, Overton Co., p. 174 |
Possible
Son |
● Toy Williams was born about 1795 in Virginia.
Toy married Catherine _____. They lived in Cumberland county, Kentucky.
Toy died after 1860.
- Susan was born about 1828.
- Albert was born about 1833.
- Mary
was born about 1836.
In 1850 next door was Hayman Thurman (1819) and Thomas P. Thurman
(1823).
|
1810 KY,
Cumberland Co., p. 714
1820 KY, Cumberland Co., p. 144
1830 KY, Cumberland Co., p. n/a
1840 KY, Cumberland Co., p. (335a)
1850
KY, Cumberland Co., p. (305a)
1860 KY, Cumberland Co., p. 70 |
Possible
Dau. |
● Caroline Williams was born about 1800 Virginia. She
evidently never married. Caroline died after 1860.
|
1810 KY,
Cumberland Co., p. 714
1820 KY, Cumberland Co., p. 144
1830 KY, Cumberland
Co., p. 97
1840 KY, Cumberland Co., p. 355
1850 TN, Overton Co., p. 97 |
Possible
Son |
● John Williams was born about 1802-1804.
In 1840 his father was apparently living with him.
|
1810 KY,
Cumberland Co., p. 714
1840 KY, Cumberland Co., p. (355a)
|
Possible
Son |
● Thomas Williams was born about
1806 Kentucky. He married Lydia Barry. Thomas died after 1850.-
Palina Williams was born about 1832 in Kentucky.
She married John W Thurman before 1856.
Palina died 6 June 1895 in Clay County, Tennessee.
-
John Williams was born
about 1835 in Kentucky. He married Courtney Ann
Thurman before 1859. John died June 1911 in in Clay County,
Tennessee.
- Milton Williams was born about 1839 in Kentucky.
-
James Williams was born about 1840 in Tennessee.
- Sarah Williams was born
about 1844 in Tennessee.
- William R Williams was born about 1848 in
Tennessee.
|
1810 KY,
Cumberland Co., p. 714
1820 KY, Cumberland Co., p. 144
1830 KY, Cumberland
Co., p. 97
1840 KY, Cumberland Co., p. 355
1850 TN, Overton Co., p. (97a) |
| |
Timeline, notes and documents:
|
|
| 1799 |
26 Oct 1799 - Cumberland
County, Kentucky
John Williams granted 200 acres on Illwill Creek.
The land joins the Lexington Seminary survey. The chain carriers are Haze
Murphy and Richard Thurman. Book A-30. |
There are multiple John Williams
so
these may not all be the same
John Williams. |
| 1799 |
1799 - Cumberland County,
Kentucky
John Williams granted 220 acres on Obey Creek. Book A-86. |
|
| 1805 |
15 July 1805 - Cumberland
County, Kentucky
John Williams granted 375 acres on dividing ridge
between Wolf Creek and Sulphur Creek in Cumberland County, Kentucky.
Joseph Williams and William Davidson are the chain carriers. Book B-22. |
|
| 1805 |
19 Oct 1805 - Cumberland
County, Kentucky
John Williams granted 30 acres north of
Cumberland River. Original Book B-48. |
This joins the James Black survey. |
| 1806 |
14 Mar 1806 - Cumberland County,
Kentucky
John Williams granted 100 acres on Illwill Creek.
Mentions road leading from Illwill to Sulphur Creek. Original Book B-129. |
|
| 1825 |
16 Sept 1825 - Overton County, Tennessee
Land Grant. 160 acres on Roaring
River beginning at 4 post oaks near a spring used by Jonathan Massey... |
|
| 1825 |
16 Sept 1825 - Overton County, Tennessee
Land Grant. 60 acres of the waters
of Spring Creek. Including improvements of the widow McDonald now occupied by
Reuben Pennington |
|
|
Frame |
Page |
Line |
Name: | Age groups: |
Notes |
| 17 |
743 | 1 |
John Williams | 1 male
16-25, 1 male 26-44, 1 female 10-15, 1 females 26-44 |
|
|
Frame |
Page |
Line |
Name: | Age groups: |
Notes |
| 1 |
144 | 2 |
John Williams |
1 male
10-15, 1 male 16-18, 1 male 16-25, 1 male 45 and over, 2 females 16-25, 1
female 45 and over, 7 total | |
| 1 |
144 | 3 |
Toy Williams | 1 male
16-25, 1 female 0-9, 1 female 16-25 | |
|
Frame |
Page |
Line |
Name: | Age groups: |
Notes: |
| 13 |
149 |
24 |
John Williams Sr
(north of Cumberland) | 1 male 20-29 [Thomas 24], 1 male 60-69
[John 62],
1 female 20-29 [Lydia 21], 1 female 30-39 [Caroline 30],
1 female 50-59 [wife] |
|
| 29 |
157 |
6 |
Toy
Williams
(north of Cumberland) | 1 male 30-39,
2 females 0-4, 1 female 5-9, 1 female 10-14, 1 female 30-39 |
|
| 1840 Federal
Census, Kentucky, Cumberland County |
| Frame |
Page |
Line |
Name: | Age groups: |
Notes: |
| 4 | (355a) | 13 |
Elizabeth Williams | 1 male
0-4, 1 male 20-29, 2 females 0-4, 1 female 5-9, 1 female 20-29 |
|
| 4 | (355a) | 17 |
John Williams Jr. | 2 males
0-4, 1 male 30-39, 1 male 70-79, 1 female 5-9, 1 female 30-39, 1 female
40-49, 1 female 70-79 |
|
| 4 | (355a) | 22 |
Toy Williams | 1 male 5-9, 1
male 30-39, 1 female 0-4, 1 female 5-9, 2 females 15-19, 1 female 20-29, 1
female 30-39 |
|
| 4 | (355a) | 25 |
John Williams | 1 male 0-4,
1 male 5-9, 1 male 30-39, 1 female 0-4, 1 female 20-29, 0 slaves |
|
| 1850 Federal
Census, Tennessee, Overton County |
| Page |
# |
Name: |
Age |
Sex |
Place of Birth |
Notes |
| (97a) |
399 |
Thomas Williams |
44 | M |
Kentucky |
District 8 |
| |
|
Lydia Williams |
41 | F |
Kentucky |
|
| |
|
Palina Williams |
18 | F |
Kentucky |
|
| |
|
John Williams |
15 | M |
Kentucky |
|
| |
|
Milton Williams |
11 | M |
Kentucky |
|
| |
|
James Williams |
9 | M |
Tennessee |
|
| |
|
Sarah Williams |
6 | F |
Tennessee |
|
| |
|
William Williams |
2 | M |
Tennessee |
|
| |
|
Caroline Williams |
50 | F |
Virginia |
|
| |
|
John Williams |
82 | M |
Virginia |
|
1840 Federal Census, Kentucky, Cumberland county, page 355
2
males 0-4 [John 5, Milton 1]
1 male 30-39
[Thomas 34]
1 male 70-79 [John Williams 72]
1 female 5-9
[Palina 8]
1 female 30-39 [Lydia 31]
1 female 40-49 [Caroline 40]
1
female 70-79 [John's wife]
(Census entry says head of house is John Williams
Jr. It should probably says John Williams Sr or Thomas Williams instead.
Toy Williams and John Williams [Jr] age 30-39 also listed on same page)
1830 Federal Census, Kentucky, Cumberland county, North of Cumberland
River, page
1 male 20-29 [Thomas 24]
1 male 60-69
[John Williams 62]
1 female 20-29 [Lydia 21]
1 female 30-39 [Caroline
29/30]
1 female 60-69 [John's wife]
1820 Federal Census, Kentucky, Cumberland county, Hanover, page
144
1 male 10-15 [Thomas 14]
1 male 16-18 [John ?]
1 male 16-25 [Toy 25?]
1
male 45+ [John Williams 52]
2 females 16-25 [unknown 20-25 and
Caroline 19/20]
1 female 45+ [John's wife]
1810 Federal Census, Kentucky, Cumberland county, Burksville, page
714
This is the correct census listing based on the neighbors listed later in 1820.
2 males 0-9 [Thomas 4, John? age 6-8 ]
1 male 10-15 [Toy 15]
1 male 45+
[John Williams 42]
1 female 0-9 [Caroline 9]
1 female 10-15 [unknown
10-15]
1 female 26-44 [John's wife]
